Comments for Advancing True Conservatism in Campbell County Virginia http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com Campbell County Republican Committee Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:34:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Tim Boyer http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1125 Tim Boyer Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:34:41 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1125 The first inclination of government is always to raise taxes, and to let someone else do the heavy lifting like having Laurell throw out the old tired liberal mantra'it's for the children'.Public education is the one of the two sacred cows of liberalism, the other being abortion, that is always used to shame us into giving the government more of our money and freedom. The same people pushing this tax increase campaigned against such a tax increase in order to get elected, and you see how, as always, it was another lie in order to deceive conservative constituents. As for a "secret" campaign, I'm not sure when Mr. Shockley became the arbiter of who can and can't run for office, or has to, or doesn't have to tell who about what. He didn't come to his constituents, I notice, to man-up, and tell them he was going to go back on his campaign word against a meals tax increase. As always, they have one standard for us, and any one of a number of different standards for themselves, depending on their political needs of the time. It is also interesting that it is the "independent conservatives", who claim they were run out of the party by conservatives., who are pushing tax increase, and who refuse to actively pursue spending cuts, not the Republican Party of Campbell county which has consistently called for lower taxes and less spending. a novel idea, I know. The first inclination of government is always to raise taxes, and to let someone else do the heavy lifting like having Laurell throw out the old tired liberal mantra’it’s for the children’.Public education is the one of the two sacred cows of liberalism, the other being abortion, that is always used to shame us into giving the government more of our money and freedom. The same people pushing this tax increase campaigned against such a tax increase in order to get elected, and you see how, as always, it was another lie in order to deceive conservative constituents. As for a “secret” campaign, I’m not sure when Mr. Shockley became the arbiter of who can and can’t run for office, or has to, or doesn’t have to tell who about what. He didn’t come to his constituents, I notice, to man-up, and tell them he was going to go back on his campaign word against a meals tax increase. As always, they have one standard for us, and any one of a number of different standards for themselves, depending on their political needs of the time. It is also interesting that it is the “independent conservatives”, who claim they were run out of the party by conservatives., who are pushing tax increase, and who refuse to actively pursue spending cuts, not the Republican Party of Campbell county which has consistently called for lower taxes and less spending. a novel idea, I know.

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Republican http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1122 Republican Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:11:24 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1122 I'm not going to throw the party's candidate under the bus. You ran a campaign. Ours didn't. I congratulated you on your win. Don't take that as a mandate for your stupid tax increases or your big spending ideas. I’m not going to throw the party’s candidate under the bus. You ran a campaign. Ours didn’t. I congratulated you on your win. Don’t take that as a mandate for your stupid tax increases or your big spending ideas.

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Republican http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1121 Republican Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:08:26 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1121 <strong>It is truly shocking that you are asking me this question. </strong>You run and claim you are a conservative? You run and say you won't raise taxes? now you don't even know how they work? 5% Sales tax (4% state + 1% local) added to the 4% meals tax you want to impose = 9%. Coffee at Starbucks is a "served" item subject to the meals tax. The happy meal I'd buy my kids is also a served item subject to the meals tax. Hey Jack Read: this is the kind of "leader" I should just roll over and listen to and accept? He doesn't even know the consequences nor the method by which the very taxes he is supporting work. It is truly shocking that you are asking me this question. You run and claim you are a conservative? You run and say you won’t raise taxes? now you don’t even know how they work?

5% Sales tax (4% state + 1% local) added to the 4% meals tax you want to impose = 9%.

Coffee at Starbucks is a “served” item subject to the meals tax. The happy meal I’d buy my kids is also a served item subject to the meals tax.

Hey Jack Read: this is the kind of “leader” I should just roll over and listen to and accept? He doesn’t even know the consequences nor the method by which the very taxes he is supporting work.

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Steve Shockley http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1120 Steve Shockley Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:18:51 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1120 9% on a cup of coffee? wow. how'd you get THAT number? 9% on a cup of coffee? wow. how’d you get THAT number?

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Steve Shockley http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1119 Steve Shockley Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:17:24 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1119 One more point Mr. F, I left the "party" because I discovered, quite by accident, that the "party" was secretly running someone against me! The "party" wasn't "man enough" to come to me directly...no it was done so that I wasn't to find out until it was too late. Once I determined I didn't have the support of the "party" I left. One more point Mr. F, I left the “party” because I discovered, quite by accident, that the “party” was secretly running someone against me! The “party” wasn’t “man enough” to come to me directly…no it was done so that I wasn’t to find out until it was too late. Once I determined I didn’t have the support of the “party” I left.

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Steve Shockley http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1118 Steve Shockley Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:14:27 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1118 Mr Fiegle, why do you always seem to know what my intent is? Have you EVER asked me? How many public hearings have you attended? How many calls or emails have you made to your Supervisor? You are right, 15 years ago the citizens soundly rejected a meals tax in a referendum (not "a couple of years ago") I would hope you realize that times have changed. With your "logic" however, since in 2010 and 2011, the citizens soundly rejected local Republican candidates, I assume you won't support any Republican candidates in future elections. I mean, they were already REJECTED. You are so full of hate and bile, that you can not begin to have a logical discussion. It will be interesting to see how long my comments stay posted. Rick Boyer just deletes comments from Facebook that don't agree with his narrow world view. Mr Fiegle, why do you always seem to know what my intent is? Have you EVER asked me? How many public hearings have you attended? How many calls or emails have you made to your Supervisor?

You are right, 15 years ago the citizens soundly rejected a meals tax in a referendum (not “a couple of years ago”) I would hope you realize that times have changed. With your “logic” however, since in 2010 and 2011, the citizens soundly rejected local Republican candidates, I assume you won’t support any Republican candidates in future elections. I mean, they were already REJECTED.

You are so full of hate and bile, that you can not begin to have a logical discussion. It will be interesting to see how long my comments stay posted. Rick Boyer just deletes comments from Facebook that don’t agree with his narrow world view.

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Jack Read http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1107 Jack Read Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:43:39 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1107 You are right that they are our representatives and it's WE THE PEOPLE. WE THE PEOPLE spoke in the November elections. Apparently you and the local Republican unit don't represent the majority of people in Campbell County. If you did your candidates would have won. Not only didn't they win, they lost by staggering margins in some cases. Don't be disheartened by this. I think many of the people in Campbell County have the same conservative values that you do. Including the board of supervisors members. The difference is they are trying to find solutions to the problems and provide leadership. Yes, they are our political leaders. We elected them to be our leaders. All of the politics aside (most of what we've been bantering about is politics right?) what do you recommend to the board of supervisors cut in spending to close what I read is a seven plus million dollar budget gap? I understand you believe they shouldn't consider raising taxes. I don't want to pay taxes either. Where should they reduce expenses to cover the mandates and declining revenues from the state? You are right that they are our representatives and it’s WE THE PEOPLE. WE THE PEOPLE spoke in the November elections. Apparently you and the local Republican unit don’t represent the majority of people in Campbell County. If you did your candidates would have won. Not only didn’t they win, they lost by staggering margins in some cases.

Don’t be disheartened by this. I think many of the people in Campbell County have the same conservative values that you do. Including the board of supervisors members. The difference is they are trying to find solutions to the problems and provide leadership. Yes, they are our political leaders. We elected them to be our leaders.

All of the politics aside (most of what we’ve been bantering about is politics right?) what do you recommend to the board of supervisors cut in spending to close what I read is a seven plus million dollar budget gap? I understand you believe they shouldn’t consider raising taxes. I don’t want to pay taxes either. Where should they reduce expenses to cover the mandates and declining revenues from the state?

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Republican http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1106 Republican Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:05:44 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1106 Those that left the party because they couldn't get the nomination as a Republican candidate (Shockley and Gunter) ran as "conservatives". The only reason they don't stick us with the taxes right off is they legally can't. The people of Campbell County don't want to pay more in taxes, so this time it gets trotted out with the "it's for the children" defense. Hopefully the citizens can see through this smoke screen. "If you believe in the operation of republic you would support the elected leaders making those kinds of decisions." IF the elected leaders decided to raise our property taxes 3 fold I should support that nonsense? And they are not our "leaders" they are our "representatives" and they serve at our pleasure not their own. It is WE THE PEOPLE not We The Supervisors. You are right. The state reps are sticking the county government with unfunded mandates. It doesn't change the fact that the residents of the county are stretched thin and don't have any more to give. I hope the residents see what the supervisors are up to. Those that left the party because they couldn’t get the nomination as a Republican candidate (Shockley and Gunter) ran as “conservatives”. The only reason they don’t stick us with the taxes right off is they legally can’t. The people of Campbell County don’t want to pay more in taxes, so this time it gets trotted out with the “it’s for the children” defense. Hopefully the citizens can see through this smoke screen.

“If you believe in the operation of republic you would support the elected leaders making those kinds of decisions.”

IF the elected leaders decided to raise our property taxes 3 fold I should support that nonsense?

And they are not our “leaders” they are our “representatives” and they serve at our pleasure not their own. It is WE THE PEOPLE not We The Supervisors.

You are right. The state reps are sticking the county government with unfunded mandates. It doesn’t change the fact that the residents of the county are stretched thin and don’t have any more to give. I hope the residents see what the supervisors are up to.

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Jack Read http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1105 Jack Read Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:51:07 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1105 Almost forgot. You're absolutely correct about us living in a republic. You can't have it both ways though. If you believe in the operation of republic you would support the elected leaders making those kinds of decisions. They were elected to office by a majority of those voting to represent them. That's how a republic works. On the other hand you complain that they want to get input from the public by a referendum to see what the public wants to do. Which way is it? Or, is it just that it has to be your way. You don't like it so they shouldn't do it? Almost forgot. You’re absolutely correct about us living in a republic. You can’t have it both ways though. If you believe in the operation of republic you would support the elected leaders making those kinds of decisions. They were elected to office by a majority of those voting to represent them. That’s how a republic works. On the other hand you complain that they want to get input from the public by a referendum to see what the public wants to do. Which way is it? Or, is it just that it has to be your way. You don’t like it so they shouldn’t do it?

]]> Comment on Campbell County Meals Tax by Jack Read http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/2012/01/campbell-county-meals-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1103 Jack Read Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:29:55 +0000 http://campbellcountyrepublicans.com/?p=264#comment-1103 I agree with you that government should live within its means. The problem though is not with our local folks. If you've been paying attention they've been cutting back and making efficient decisions for a long time. The problem is that our state representatives continue to push additional costs and less money down to the localities to take care of forcing us to pay more at the local level. The so called conservatives in Richmond don't have the fortitude to cut services they just want somebody else to pay for them. Instead they tell the localities that they have to provide them and pay for it at the local level. This isn't a question of whether or not we pay for these state required services. It's a question of how do we pay for them. If you want to get on somebody's case talk to your state delegation who can't seem to figure this out, not the folks back home who are being forced to carry the water. They're in the same boat you are. Better yet we really need to get rid of them and put somebody in Richmond who is really interested in cutting state services and entitlements not just people who want to pass it along to somebody else to pay for it. I don't agree with your point about the citizens already voted no on a meals tax. That's like saying because someone who wasn't a republican won the last supervisor election that you should never be able to run a republican again. They already said no to the Campbell County republican party several times over the past year. Using your logic no republican should ever run again for a local office. Things change, people need to evaluate the situation on today's issues, not something that happened over fifteen years ago. I agree with you that government should live within its means. The problem though is not with our local folks. If you’ve been paying attention they’ve been cutting back and making efficient decisions for a long time. The problem is that our state representatives continue to push additional costs and less money down to the localities to take care of forcing us to pay more at the local level. The so called conservatives in Richmond don’t have the fortitude to cut services they just want somebody else to pay for them. Instead they tell the localities that they have to provide them and pay for it at the local level. This isn’t a question of whether or not we pay for these state required services. It’s a question of how do we pay for them. If you want to get on somebody’s case talk to your state delegation who can’t seem to figure this out, not the folks back home who are being forced to carry the water. They’re in the same boat you are. Better yet we really need to get rid of them and put somebody in Richmond who is really interested in cutting state services and entitlements not just people who want to pass it along to somebody else to pay for it.

I don’t agree with your point about the citizens already voted no on a meals tax. That’s like saying because someone who wasn’t a republican won the last supervisor election that you should never be able to run a republican again. They already said no to the Campbell County republican party several times over the past year. Using your logic no republican should ever run again for a local office. Things change, people need to evaluate the situation on today’s issues, not something that happened over fifteen years ago.

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